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« Reply #61 on: 7 Apr 2008 - 23:39:52 »

2008 Hall of Fame seçimleri bugün açıklandı:
- Hakeem Olajuwon (Oyuncu)
- Patrick Ewing (Oyuncu)
- Adrian Dantley (Oyuncu)
- Pat Riley (Antrenör)
- Bill Davidson (Detroit takım sahibi)
- Dick Vitale (Kolej basketbolu yorumcusu)
- Cathy Rush (Immaculata Üniversitesi Bayan Takımı Antrenörü)
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« Reply #62 on: 8 Apr 2008 - 00:09:10 »

Sürpriz değil.

Üst üste All-Star seçimleri, yine üst üste iki sene Houston şehrine getirdiği şampiyonluklar, "Mvp" ödülleri ve yalnızca saha içi değil saha dışında da yaptığı ve yaptırdıkları ile takdirlik bir adam. Hakeem "The Dream" Olajuwon.

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« Reply #63 on: 12 Sep 2009 - 13:29:43 »



http://www.nba.com/video/channels/hall_of_fame/2009/09/11/nba_20090911_hof_jordan_speech.nba/
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« Reply #64 on: 12 Sep 2009 - 21:52:26 »

jerry krause'yi de pas geçmedi..

"Jerry's not here. I don't know who'd invite him. I didn't. I hope he understands it goes a long way. He's a very competitive person. I was a very competitive person. He said organizations win championships. I said, 'I didn't see organizations playing with the flu in Utah. I didn't see it playing with a bad ankle.'"
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« Reply #65 on: 12 Sep 2009 - 22:17:03 »

“Don’t be in a rush to find the next Michael Jordan, because there’s not going to be another Michael Jordan,” he said.
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« Reply #66 on: 13 Sep 2009 - 00:54:29 »

 İzledim de amann dedim Jordan ne kilo almış öyle Tongue Tamam vücut normal de yanaklar falan da tombullaşmış Smiley
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« Reply #67 on: 13 Sep 2009 - 04:21:30 »

"One night, I had scored like 20 points in a row to win a game. [Bulls assistant coach] Tex Winter, whom I could never please, reminded me there was no 'I' in team. I looked back and said, 'But there is an "I" in win.'
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« Reply #68 on: 13 Sep 2009 - 06:53:56 »

jordan'ın konuşmasında bu ve bunun gibi ifadelere salon kahkahalar attı; ama bence konuşma oraya yakışmayacak kadar ben merkezciydi. david robinson, spurs organizasyonunu öve öve bitiremezken jordan'ın konuşmasında wizards'ın adı bile geçmedi mesela. biraz ağır olacak belki ama; bu yaştan sonra sadece "rekabetçi" sıfatıyla açıklanamayacak derecede egomanyak olduğunu düşünüyorum. van gundy'e, north carolina'da kendisinden önce en iyi basketbolcu diye bahsedilen elamana, koçuna, bryon russell'a kadar herkese şakayla karışık salladı. bunu da genelde "rekabetçi" sıfatının arkasına saklanarak yaptı bana kalırsa.
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« Reply #69 on: 13 Sep 2009 - 08:51:17 »

Valla konuşmayı baştan sona kadar izledim, son derece keyifli, eğlenceli dakikalar yaşattı Jordan bana. Wizards adı geçmemesi normal bence, çünkü Jordan o ünvanı Chicago'daki günlerinden dolayı alıyor, Wizards ve Bobcats maceraları bence konuyla alakasız zaten. Genelde ABD menşeili bloglarda falan da "Jordan intikam aldı" gibisinden art niyetli başlıklar atılmış. Bence adamın fazlasıyla hakkı yenmiş; tek laf koyduğu adam Jerry Krause, ki onunla arasının iyi olmadığı zaten bilinen bişey. Onu Hall of Fame yapan en önemli unsur kazanma hırsıydı. O da en başta "herkes bundan bahsediyor, neden böyle diye soruyorlar; işte bu yüzden" gibisinden bir giriş yapıyor ailesinden bahsederken, sonra devamında basketbol kariyerinden bence gayet keyifli anılarla bu hırsın kaynaklarını anlatıyor. Zaten anlatım sırasında da Isiah'tan Bird'e, Magic'ten Riley'e, Tex Winter'dan North Carolina'daki koçuna kadar herkesi onore ediyor.

Örneğin Isiah, Bird ve Magic'in onu ilk all-starında aralarına almadıklarından, o da onlar kadar iyi olduğunu onlara göstermek için nasıl çabaladığından bahsediyor. Buradan art niyetli adam "Bird, Magic ve Isiah beni dışladılar" manşetini çıkarabilir, fakat salonda bunu anlatış tarzından Jordan'ın söylemek istediği şeyin "Onlar kadar iyi olmalıydım" olduğunu anlamak zor değil.

Bir diğer örnek Riley'le olan diyaloğu, o anıyı aktardıktan sonra "benim kadar hırslı biri olduğunu o notta bile hissettirdi ve kariyerim boyunca her karşılaştığımızda benimle mücadele etti" diyerek ona da saygı duruşunu çakıyor. Aynı şekilde üniversite koçunu zaten övmekten bitiremiyor. Kendisinden önceki en iyi oyuncu olan eleman Peterson diye bi herif ve Jordan'ın oda arkadaşı, dergiye o kapak olduğunda, orada ben olmalıyım demiş. Bunu anlatıyor adam, bişey salladığı yok.
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« Reply #70 on: 13 Sep 2009 - 15:59:56 »

yalnız dikkat ettniz mi bilmiyorum ama tim duncanın yanında aziz yıldırımın dublörü oturmuş resmen. dakia 19 larda bi yerde...
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« Reply #71 on: 14 Sep 2009 - 00:56:05 »

Yalnız MJ'i uzun zamandır ilk defa adam gibi bi takım elbisenin içinde gördüm diyebilirim...
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« Reply #72 on: 14 Sep 2009 - 05:01:49 »

üç konuşmayı da izledim. mj'in konuşmayı yarım yamalak izlemiştim, o zaman baya laf soktu gibi gelmişti ama tekrar izleyince hoşuma gitti. bir kere konuşmanın en başında scottie pippen'dan bahsetmesi çok şıktı. yine ezeli rakibi ve atletik ve şutunu yaratan iki numaraların öncüsü david thompson ile sahneye çıkması da dozajında ve güzel bir jestti. konuşmasında laf attığı bütün oyuncular ve koçlar kariyeri boyunca sürekli karşılaştığı kişilerdi ve hepsine de teşekkür etti onu bu kadar kazanma arzusuyla doldurdukları için. ayrıca hiç duymadığımız, bilmediğimiz 1-2 hikaye anlattı ki özellikle byron russell hakkındaki hikayeyi dinlerken kahkaha attım, john stockton'a doğrulatması da bence iki birbirini sevmeyen rakip arasında güzel bir paslaşmaydı.

kimilerine agresif gelen ve jordan sevmeyenleri daha da soğutan bir konuşma olabilir, ancak kariyeri boyunca herkesi yenmiş, neredeyse on yıllık bir dönemi domine etmiş, bütün mümkün başarıları kazanmış biri olarak, sahneye çıkıp ona-buna teşekkür etmekle yetinmemesi çok normal. esprilerle bezeli, bana göre kimseyi incitecek birşey söylemeden ne kadar üstün olduğunu tekrar hatırlattı. iyi de oldu. sondaki geri dönüş esprisiyle güzel başlangıç, güzel bitirişle birleşmiş oldu.

john stockton çok klas bir adam. herkes tarafından dışlanmış, itilmiş, kariyeri de hayatı da çöküşe geçmiş isiah thomas'ı onurlandırmak ancak onun omuzlarında bu kadar şık gözükürdü. o da, amiral de hiç değişmemişler. karl malone'un ailesinde bir hastalık durumu olmuş ama napıp edip orada olması gerekirdi diye düşünüyorum. o herkese teşekkür etme yöntemini seçti, espriler de serpiştirdi araya -özellikle baştaki michael takılması- ama dediğim gibi adam klas. ilk defa ağlarken gördüm bu arada.

david robinson'ın konuşmasının da herhalde en ilginç kısmı tim duncan'ın neredeyse tepkisiz izlemesiydi.
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« Reply #73 on: 14 Sep 2009 - 15:33:25 »


john stockton çok klas bir adam. herkes tarafından dışlanmış, itilmiş, kariyeri de hayatı da çöküşe geçmiş isiah thomas'ı onurlandırmak ancak onun omuzlarında bu kadar şık gözükürdü. o da, amiral de hiç değişmemişler. karl malone'un ailesinde bir hastalık durumu olmuş ama napıp edip orada olması gerekirdi diye düşünüyorum. o herkese teşekkür etme yöntemini seçti, espriler de serpiştirdi araya -özellikle baştaki michael takılması- ama dediğim gibi adam klas. ilk defa ağlarken gördüm bu arada.

david robinson'ın konuşmasının da herhalde en ilginç kısmı tim duncan'ın neredeyse tepkisiz izlemesiydi.

Stockton'ın Isiah seçimi hakikaten ilginçti. Konuşmasında Stock "Isiah benim hep yanımda olmuştur, dostluğunu çok gördüm, bunu herkes bilmez, benim için özel biri mealinde birşeyler söyledi. Magic ve Isiah'nin çok yakın olduğunu bilirdik de Stockton'la Isiah'nin bu kadar yakın dost olduğunu bilmek beni doğrusu şaşırttı.

Bu arada Karl Malone'un üvey babası yaşam destek ünitesine bağlıymış ve aile bir kaç gün içinde yaşam destek ünitesini kapatıp kapatmama gibi zor bir karar almanın arifesindeymiş. Törene katılamama nedeni buymuş. Malone belki töreni kaçırdı ama törenden hemen sonra düzenlenen yemeğe yetişmiş ve Stockton ve Sloan'la görüşüp bir kaç saat sonra yeniden hastaneye geri dönmüş.
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Will the Hall of Fame call this quintuplet of former stars? ESPN The Magazine shared its thoughts on who is Hall-worthy based on analytics. Now our panelists give their subjective takes on Vince Carter, Grant Hill, Rasheed Wallace, Tracy McGrady and Allen Iverson. (Also, check out Insider's analysis on Shawn Marion's HOF chances.)

1. Is Vince Carter a Hall of Famer?

J.A. Adande, ESPN.com: No. His career seems defined by what he hasn't done: such as, he has never ...led the league in a statistical category and never gone to the NBA Finals. The last part is even more remarkable because he joined two teams (the Magic and Mavericks) that went to the Finals the season before he got there, and a third (the Nets) that went two years before he arrived. He has had a habit of always arriving after the meal was eaten and the bill has been paid. And of course, he left the Raptors before they even served the main course.


Mark Haubner, The Painted Area: Yes. Based on precedent, Vince will make it someday. Carter is 31st all-time in NBA scoring with over 21,000 points; every eligible player above him is in Springfield. But I wish the Hall of Fame had a higher standard. Carter made only two All-NBA teams (a second and a third). To me, he's a borderline candidate.
Steve McPherson, A Wolf Among Wolves: Yes. Carter is at the threshold of the kind of numbers associated with Hall of Famers. But for me, a Hall of Famer should be about more than just numbers. It should be about the fabric of the game, and with his Slam Dunk Contest win in 2000, his dunk on Frederic Weis in the Olympics that same year and countless other throwdowns, he was more than a dunker -- he became the dunk for countless fans.


Danny Nowell, Portland Roundball Society: No. If I were seeking true consistency with the rest of my list, Vince would be in, but there just aren't enough distinguishing achievements in his career. It pains me, as I have a soft spot for Vince as a Tar Heel, but I simply can't quite envision him enshrined.


Ethan Sherwood Strauss, HoopSpeak: Yes. He's the greatest dunker ever, and he happened to have a long, successful career doing a lot more than that. What went down in Toronto does not bother me. The guy didn't want to be stuck plying his trade in another country. I get it.




2. Is Grant Hill a Hall of Famer?


Adande: Yes. Even though injuries rerouted the course of his pro career, he nearly maxed out his college career by winning two championships at Duke and reaching a third Final Four. In the NBA he finished in the top 10 of MVP voting five times. He's also in the top 10 in all-time triple-doubles, even though he hasn't had one since 1998. That just shows you how good the pre-injury part of his career was.



Haubner: Yes, based on precedent. Remember that college counts, and Hill's résumé is quite similar to Hall of Famer David Thompson's: great college player who had six exceptional pro seasons. Plus, Hill's post-injury run has given him more longevity. If there were an NBA-only Hall of Fame, as there should be, I'd lean against Hill's candidacy, due to his unfortunate career-derailing injuries.



McPherson: Yes. If we keep going down the path of what players mean to the game beyond the numbers, Hill should be in. It's a trip to go back and watch Old Sprite ads and see him being sold on his superhuman abilities. After his lost seasons in Orlando, it seemed like he was washed up. But against all odds, he's become what he maybe always was: a player defined more by hard work than sheer talent. A basketball player. Throw in his Duke career and that's a story worth learning.



Nowell: Yes. Originally my thought was that Grant had been too injured for too long, and should be a tragic exclusion. But Hill was just too good in his Detroit years -- I'll cast my vote for his inclusion happily, and let more practical voters deny him if they want.



Strauss: No, sadly. Grant Hill's NBA career might be the greatest Duke ever produced -- which may be an indictment of that university's pro development. Hill had the talent and desire to be a Hall of Famer, but his ankles had other, devious plans.


3. Is Rasheed Wallace a Hall of Famer?


Adande: No. Rasheed didn't care about being an All-Star, so why would he care about being in the Hall of Fame? He'd be more likely to carefully pick his 'fro, then spray it with activator before he'd be concerned with validation from outsiders. It's a refreshing approach, but it's why he didn't put up surefire Hall Of Fame numbers, and why he wouldn't get my vote. That's a shame, because I'd love to hear his induction speech.



Haubner: No. And it's too bad, because I've always believed Rasheed had every bit as much talent as legendary contemporaries Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett. If only Sheed had been comfortable as a No. 1 option who shot that unblockable turnaround jumper down low all night, I think he'd be Hall-bound. And of course, there were too many times when Sheed's outbursts unhinged his team and himself.



McPherson: No. And it pains me to say it. I want him to be, but as a wise man once said, "Feelings aren't numbers." He's lovable and crazy, a misfit who found his place on a championship team in Detroit but just keeps on giving, now in New York. If the NBA were Dungeons & Dragons, he'd be a chaotic good orc. But his identity is bound so inextricably to the NBA and its rules that I can't see him matching up to the Hall's emphasis on the game over the league.



Nowell: Yes. The old "best player on a championship team" test seems to have been decided in Chauncey Billups' favor regarding the mid-2000s Pistons, but Sheed was their soul, the guy whose two-way brilliance made it work. Plus, I already let Vince Carter in, so what can I do?



Strauss: No, but I'll never forget him and neither will you. Sheed just doesn't have the numbers, and it's because he just missed his era. When the NBA nixed illegal defense, it fomented a brave new era of floor-spreading, 3-point shooting power forwards. By then, Wallace was too old to truly capitalize.

4. Is Tracy McGrady a Hall of Famer?


Adande: No. He never played a full 82-game season, and it feels as if he never got to play his full career. A bad back essentially wrecked him by age 30. His failure to advance past the first round of the playoffs wrecks his Hall of Fame bid in my time. Even worse, the Rockets did advance, then took the Lakers to seven games in the second round, all in his injured absence. That might qualify him for the Patrick Ewing Theory Hall of Fame, but not the one in Springfield.


Haubner: Yes. T-Mac deserves it. Due to his excruciating decline, you likely forget how good T-Mac was: seven All-NBA teams and one of only seven players ever with a 30-plus PER season (2002-03). Lack of a playoff series win hurts, though McGrady was usually spectacular in the postseason. Clearly a better NBA résumé than Chris Mullin, who got in last year.



McPherson: No. Beloved by deep basketball heads for the nearly supernatural abilities he displayed for a brief window at the beginning of the 2000s, McGrady has had a career too potholed by difficulties to be a lock for the Hall. It's roughly equivalent to putting the band Television into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame just on the strength of the "Marquee Moon" album. I mean, "Marquee Moon" is so good but ... hmm. Can I change my vote?


Nowell: Yes. Tracy McGrady still might be the prettiest scorer I've ever seen, and during his prime was a marquee player during one of the best eras in the league. I could see this going the other way, but T-Mac gets my vote.



Strauss: No. He should have been, but he's not. There was a time when preferring T-Mac to Kobe was perfectly reasonable, if not rational. Some back spasms and knee injuries later, and McGrady's résumé lacks HOF credentials.


5. Is Allen Iverson a Hall of Famer?

Adande: Yes. Every other Most Valuable Player is in the Hall of Fame or is clearly on his way, and there's no reason the 2001 winner should be an exception. He rejuvenated the Georgetown program, then reinvented it. Georgetown went from a team dominated by big men who stayed all four years to a place where star guards left early. In the pros, he restored glory to a storied franchise that had been dormant for a decade. His career scoring average of 26.7 points per game ranks sixth all-time. And he ushered in the hip-hop era of the NBA.


Haubner: Yes. Basketball-Reference rates Iverson as having a 99.8 percent probability of making the Hall. With an MVP, seven All-NBA teams (three firsts, three seconds, one third), 11 All-Star appearances, four scoring titles and more than 24,000 career points, The Answer is a no-brainer, even though his overall impact on winning is likely overrated (too much low-percentage, high-volume shooting).


McPherson: Yes. Iverson's possible induction into the Hall is maybe the greatest test of the moral component of how we judge basketball players. Does a Hall represent what we wish a sport would be, or does it reflect the actual, often messy reality of the game as played? I side with the latter, and there's no denying Iverson bore, and in many ways embodied, a rebellious streak that's an indelible part of how we understand basketball.


Nowell: Yes. A.I.'s career has lost quite a bit of luster for me now that he's not around to bully me into submission, but he just means too much to the league not to be included. Yes, his inefficiency is almost laughable now, but A.I. was such a transitional, transformative figure on and off the court that he deserves a spot.


Strauss: No, not in my eyes. I'm sure Iverson will get in and he was an incredible talent. I'm just not in favor of supporting this kind of candidacy. People cite Iverson's Finals run as proof of his value, but he was far worse in so many seasons. I'd rather a HOF player be an obvious help to his team, nearly every year.

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